Rating of cartridges 308 wines
Sibfire 150 2nd bimetal sleeve with expansion groove 822, 805, 809 (manufacturer data V25: 790-810)
Centaur with BPZ 782, 791, 794 bullet (manufacturer data V0: 840)
Sibfire bullet 150 tompak, brass case Berdan 799, 794, 803 (manufacturer data V25: 810-830)
TechCream with Mauser bullet and case 677, 675, 681 (manufacturer data V0: no less than 700)
BPZ bimetal bullet 10.9 varnish 750, 751, 739 (manufacturer data V0: 800)
BPZ bimetal bullet 9.4 lacquer 750, 735, 763 (manufacturer data V0: 840)
Well, this is still a low speed for such a bullet, the weight is only 150 grain
Centaur with a BPZ 9.4 gram bullet. 5 shots. T=+20. V0:768-790m/s, V100: 691-708
BPZ zinc FMJ 9.4 bimetal V0: 794-805m/s, V100: 710-724m/s.
It’s one thing when there are some minor differences in a couple of points, it’s another thing when the arrow is naturally “weighted” on a large scale.
The newspaper test at 100m gave separation of sheath and lead. The remains of lead opened up into fungus.
Gunpowder OSNF, NIIchikh-puff. But the cartridge has a lot of fans due to the price
But walking speed, of course.
Gunpowder OSNF, NIIchikh-puff. But the cartridge has a lot of fans due to the price
But walking speed, of course.
= Good afternoon. We purchased FMJ 0.308WIN 10.9 gr bullets that have two grooves. Usually there is one belt available. For what purposes are two made and how to use them? = Thank you for your request and interest shown in the products of BPZ JSC. In response to your question, we inform you that the second roll on the bullet is intended to reduce the pressure of the powder gases when fired.
V0 avg;773.99;m/s; V0 max;779.66;m/s; V0 min;764.11;m/s;
Shot number; Speed at distance V0;V20;V40;V60;V80;V100 0001;771;757;741;726;710;694 0002;764;749;733;717;701;684 0003;780;764;747;731; 715;699 0004;777;762;746;730;715;696 0005;778;762;746;731;715;698
Sergey, it looks like the S1300 shows anything but real speed. You can't trust him.
Refinery 2-e 9.9 GZH coolant: 805, 809, 807
TulAmmo 150 FMJ bimetal, boxer, increased accuracy: 797, 793, 806
PPU Grom 170 SP half-shell: 760, 774, 761
Sterling M80 148 FMJ: 857, 851, 834
Orsis, 660mm twist 11.
Sergey, it looks like the S1300 shows anything but real speed. You can't trust him.
Maybe. But I don't have an S1300.
On a self-assembling cartridge, maximum jumps are 1-2m/s above, I left a link, I’ll duplicate it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGtugYbpDq4&t=1s
Everyone makes their own choice based on their capabilities. Nothing is perfect.
I won't buy another optical one again. All solid tuftometers. None showed exactly. Tested on certified ball barrels. Complete nonsense. Clueless devices.
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For a short barrel. RWS Short Barrel Cartridges
Rifles with short barrels are loved for their ease of carry, but the reduction in ballistic performance is, of course, frowned upon. Therefore, RUAG Ammotec decided to develop special equipment options for short barrels. We tested what RWS Short Barrel ammo can do.
When hunting on a cramped stand, a rifle with a short barrel is easier to handle than a long-barreled rifle. Along with ease of carrying, short barrels also have the advantage that they weigh less. The saved mass can be invested in increasing the diameter of the barrel. Accuracy with short barrels is in no way worse than with long ones. They often even shoot more accurately. Short-barreled rifles are certainly loved. But, sometimes, a hunter thinks about reducing the ballistic characteristics of a cartridge due to a short barrel. How much kinetic energy is lost over distances of 100 or 200 m? What does the bullet's descent relative to the throwing line and its trajectory look like? What is wind drift over long distances?
It is absolutely clear: the shorter the barrel, the less the bullet accelerates, and along with the mass of the bullet, its energy is affected by the initial speed. The effect of a bullet on a target and its trajectory also depend on the design of the bullet and the value of the ballistic coefficient (BC). Anyone who shoots at long ranges will very quickly have to begin to take into account the insufficient effect of the bullet on the target at low target speeds. The initial speed, mass of the bullet and its design (nature of deformation/fracture) must be consistent with each other. The initial speed plays a big role here. But with very short barrels, not only does the muzzle velocity decrease; For many cartridges, part of the powder charge burns out behind the muzzle or in the muffler. Both are undesirable. A strong muzzle flash is blinding at night or in late twilight. Therefore, for short barrels it makes sense to use fast-burning powders.
Extensive Testing with Various Loading Options: What Does the RWS Short Barrel Ammo Do?
Special equipment options RUAG Ammotec has developed special equipment options for standard calibers, the so-called Short Barrel, which provide high ballistic performance on short barrels and are also ideal for shooting with a suppressor. They should provide higher muzzle velocity on short-barreled rifles than standard equipment. The developers optimized, first of all, some characteristics of the propellant charge. Thanks to the fast-burning powder, the muzzle flame becomes smaller. This is a big advantage for suppressed rifles where as little powder as possible is burned in the suppressor. Damage to the muffler due to the high temperature during the combustion of gunpowder is very great. Thus, new cartridges increase the survivability of the silencer. Extensive practice test
We examined new loads of the .308 Winchester cartridge and measured their muzzle velocities on a variety of rifles with varying barrel lengths. We used .308 Winchester Short Barrel with a 9.7 gram HIT bullet and a 10.7 gram Speed-Tip Pro bullet. For comparison, standard RWS loads with a 10.7 gram Speed-Tip Pro bullet were included, as well as Hornady Superformance with a 10.7 gram GMX bullet and Vor-TX Euro with a 9.7 gram Barnes TTSX bullet. Quite deliberately, we did not use ballistic barrels with minimal tolerances, but hunting weapons. We used a Blaser R8 Professional Success rifle with a 500 mm barrel, a Remington 700 with a 420 mm barrel, a Remington 700 with a 610 mm barrel, and a H&K MR308 self-loading rifle with a 420 mm barrel.
The RWS Short Barrel 308 HIT cartridge has a high ballistic coefficient of 0.454
The average maximum propellant gas pressure for the five-shot series with the short barrel cartridges was 3814 bar (HIT cartridges) and 3744 bar (Speed-Tip Pro cartridges). At the same time, there remains a good margin relative to the maximum permissible pressure according to the PMC tables of 4150 bar. On a 600-mm ballistic barrel with RUAG cartridges with a HIT bullet, the muzzle velocity was 889 m/s and with the Speed-Tip Pro bullet 829 m/s. On a Remington 700 with a 610 mm barrel, we got 878 and 819 m/s on average, respectively. With the Remington 700 with a 420 mm barrel, we got only 38 m/s less. With the 500 mm Blaser R8 barrel, the measured muzzle velocities were 871 and 789 m/s, which is 7 m/s and 30 m/s less than with the 610 mm barrel. The speed of a self-loading rifle with a 420 mm barrel was still a couple of meters per second less. The gas outlet accelerated the bullets to V5 values of 837 and 774 m/s. Compared to a repeating rifle with a 420 mm barrel, a self-loading rifle with the same barrel length has initial velocities that are 3 and 7 m/s lower. Reference standard cartridges with short barrels showed a muzzle velocity that was lower and even noticeably lower. Detailed results are tabulated.
RWS cartridges with a 10.7 gram Speed Tip Pro bullet from a 420 mm Remington 700 rifle barrel showed a muzzle velocity of only 750 m/s; from a self-loading rifle - 744 m/s. But the manufacturer indicates an initial speed of 820 m/s. At the same time, from the 610-mm barrel of the Remington 700, 805 m/s was obtained, and from the 500-mm barrel of the Blaser R8 — 766 m/s. Of course, this bullet is a bad choice for short barrels. Another thing is the highly effective Superformance cartridge (9.7-gram GMX bullet) from Hornady: from a 610-mm barrel it produced 819 m/s, from a 420-mm Remington barrel - 789 m/s, and from a self-loading rifle also 789 m /s and from a 500 mm Blaser R8 barrel - 819 m/s. It is clear that the loss of velocity when moving from a 610 mm barrel to a 500 mm, and then to a 420 mm barrel of 17 m/s and, accordingly, 47 m/s is noticeably higher than that of the Short Barrel cartridges from RWS. Still, Hornady SF cartridges show very high ballistic characteristics even on short barrels. Barnes Vor-TX Euro cartridges with a 9.7 gram TTSX bullet are even better suited to them. From a 610mm Remington 700 barrel, the V5's velocity was 851 m/s. With a 500 mm Blaser R8 barrel, the measurement result is 826 m/s.
RWS HIT cartridges in the Short Barrel version. There is a yellow marking on the packaging: a sign of special suitability for weapons with short barrels. The secret of the Short Barrel cartridge is hidden in the cartridge case.
And with a 420 mm barrel, the Remington 700 V5 was 798 m/s. This means that when the barrel length changes from 610 mm to 500 mm and then to 420 mm, 25 m/s and, accordingly, 53 m/s are lost. These cartridges perform well in the race and have high performance potential, but still cannot beat the RWS Short Barrel cartridges. With bullets of the same weight, Vor-TX cartridges with a barrel length of 500 mm are inferior in muzzle velocity by 45 m/s and with a barrel length of 420 mm - by 42 m/s to RWS Short Barrel cartridges; significant difference. Firing accuracy
We shot five-shot groups at 100m from a bench resting machine. With the Speed Tip Pro option, a Remington 700 rifle with a 420mm barrel produced a dispersion of 48mm. From Blaser R8 - 47 mm and 22 mm - from Remington 700 with a 610 mm barrel. The self-loading rifle had a dispersion diameter of 33 mm. With the same repeating rifles, HIT bullets gave dispersion of 32, 15 and 58 mm, respectively. With a self-loading rifle - 30 mm. It has been confirmed that not every cartridge shoots great with every rifle. Each hunter must determine the accuracy of his rifle himself by selecting suitable ammunition for it.
Short Barrel cartridges have proven somewhat mixed in terms of accuracy. They did not show top results from most rifles, but from some they did. Trial is recommended.
1. Speed-Tip Pro bullet, in which the front part produces fragments when it hits the target. 2. RWS Short Barrel 308 HIT Bullet (1/4 Cut CAD Design): Shown is a homogeneous lead-free copper deformable bullet. 3. RWS Speed-Tip Pro bullet; on the right is a bullet after hitting the target. The three images on the left show various views, including cross-sections to explain the internal workings of the bullet. 4. RWS Short Barrel HIT cartridge with a 9.7 gram bullet. With this relatively expensive cartridge, the manufacturer was able to achieve complete success in the niche of short-barreled weapons.
As our example with two handload options shows, the reloader also has the ability to load high-performance short barrel cartridges. In percentage terms, heavier bullets lose less initial velocity in short barrels. RWS HIT bullet
The lead-free RWS HIT bullet is a homogeneous deformable bullet that forms petals like a banana skin when it hits a target. The manufacturer heat-treats the main body of the bullet, pressed from copper, coats it with nickel and equips it with a polymer ballistic tip. Like the Speed-Tip Pro bullet, the nickel layer should minimize wear and copper plating of the bore. The bullet is equipped with leading bands and grooves. They provide unloading so that neither pressure surges nor increased pressure of the powder gas occurs. The conical shank gives an advantage in the accuracy and stability of the bullet's flight, especially at long ranges. The copper bullet is equipped with a deep cavity in the head and a concentrator for directed destruction. A ballistic tip RWS TC-Typ is inserted into the head cavity. It has recesses at the front and back, separated by a bridge. The bullet has a high penetrating effect and quickly deforms. In .308 caliber, weighing 150 grains, it has a high ballistic coefficient - 0.454 (9.7 gram Barnes TTSX bullet - 0.420). This provides good external ballistic properties - a flat trajectory and low loss of initial velocity and kinetic energy.
In practice, it showed excellent effectiveness against roe deer, chamois, wild boar and deer (after a hit, the game passes little), as well as a high stopping effect at shooting distances between 200 and 300 m. Damage to roe deer meat was insignificant. This is a good universal bullet for all German ungulates, from roe deer and chamois, to wild boar and deer, as well as elk. A lead-free bullet will generally deform without splintering. DWJ findings
The test confirmed: the new RWS Short Barrel brand cartridges, as promised by the manufacturer, create significantly higher ballistic characteristics on short barrels than conventional high-class hunting cartridges. This is one side of the coin. But at the same time, it must be clearly understood that the accuracy potential of the user’s individual weapon must be established only through experimentation. It is not a given that a new cartridge should automatically provide the best accuracy from any barrel. Still, another positive aspect is the reduction in muffler burn, since in these new cartridges the powder almost does not burn behind the muzzle, even with a short barrel. Roland Zeitler Translation by Mikhail Dragunov
caliber 308win or 7.62*54.
Does anyone shoot further than 200 meters?
There are incomparably more high-quality cartridges 51. Therefore, 51 will be ahead of 54. There are no domestic 54 left at all. And 9g cartridges. 54 buy now problem. The hope for army freebies is fading every day. Therefore, I think that 51 is ahead in all respects. And there are more high-quality cartridges.
Alexander, I agree with this. 54th Novosib Half-shell completely disappeared from the counter. I still have 150-200 pieces left from old stocks, I think I won’t last much longer. I don’t shoot military cartridges myself and don’t recommend them to anyone.
This is correct.;-) In semi-automatic systems, cartridges with a groove like y51 are preferable
Let's talk about equal conditions. Same shooter, same scope, not “crap” barrels, etc. I don’t know how in theory, but in practice (I have both), under the same conditions at distances up to 200 meters inclusive, all three bullets show the same result in terms of accuracy, and in terms of lethality, there is no huge difference either. I think that they will continue to behave approximately the same. The difference will be noticeable only outside our interests. A heavy bullet will fall, for example, between 400-450 m, and those that are lighter are somewhere around 500. So it turns out that the 308 is better only in terms of workmanship.
RWS cartridges for short barrel carbine
RWS now offers 308Win, designed to provide maximum performance on rifles with shorter barrels. Observing the interests of hunters who prefer shorter-barreled carbines, the company created this ammunition specifically designed for short-barreled carbines. The new ammo is called the 308 Winchester Short Rifle, and comes with two types of bullets: RWS HIT and SPEED TIP Professional.
The specificity of such cartridges lies in the faster burning rate of gunpowder and the modified design of the primer, allowing combustion in the shortest possible barrel from 40 to 55 cm within safe pressure limits. The declared muzzle velocity is 150 grains. The HIT of the bullet is 870 m/s, with a muzzle energy of 3.671 J. The heavier one is 165 grains. the SPEED TIP Professional bullet has a muzzle velocity of 830 m/s and a muzzle energy of about 3.686 J.
Photo materials from the site rws-munition.de
RWS HIT
Lead-free bullet, also excellent penetration effect
SPEED TIP Professional
High performance – even over long distances
The RWS SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL cartridge is a long-range shot based on the H-jacket principle. The aerodynamic bullet shape and tip reduces air resistance, resulting in an extremely long trajectory.
You can choose the optimal rifled cartridges for yourself in our catalog of suppliers of hunting goods.
Material prepared by Arkady Bobrovsky
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New hunting and shooting cartridges for 2022 are presented at the RWS stand in Nuremberg IWA 2022 / New from RWS: due to the increased demand for Short Rifle cartridges, the ammunition line has been supplemented with 6 new components for loading cartridges. The SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL bullet is now available in 3 new calibers. New calibers and components for loading TARGET ELITE PLUS sporting cartridges. Choose right here and now what you need!
The traditional German brand RWS demonstrated at IWA 2019 that the needs of hunters and shooting sportsmen are always at the top of the company's agenda. We have selected the most important new products and will present them to you right now.
RWS PERFORMANCE line - Short Rifle cartridges for short barrels
The trend for short barrel cartridges continues into 2019, also due to the fact that they are suitable for use in suppressed carbines (where legal). Standard cartridges are usually designed for use in 600 mm long barrels. If this ammunition is used to fire weapons with shorter barrels, for example, 420 mm or 550 mm, the cartridge gives a strong muzzle flash, increases the volume of the shot, and also leads to a loss of speed and energy, which, in turn, reduces lethality bullet action. And if you also use a muffler, then clogging of the bore occurs much faster. This is why the ammo line is designed for shorter barrels. RWS Short Rifle cartridges easily overcome these shortcomings.
Straighter trajectory of RWS Short Rifle cartridges increases shot range
Last year at the IWA exhibition, RWS introduced a new “Short Rifle” cartridge for short-barreled rifles. Due to the ever-growing demand for this line of hunting cartridges, it has been replenished with 6 new components for equipping cartridges with HIT and SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL bullets, which are now available in versions of calibers .30-06 and .300 Win. Mag. Hunting cartridges of 8x57 JS and 9.3x62 calibers are equipped with HIT bullets.
The lead-free, expansive, lightweight RWS HIT (High Impact Technology) bullet has lightning-fast opening upon impact, providing a high lethal effect. Deep penetration is achieved due to almost 99% retention of core mass, even after contact with bones.
High demand for RWS cartridges has led to the addition of 6 new components to the Short Rifle line of cartridges.
RWS Short Rifle cartridges - advantages and features
- Optimized for short barrel applications
- Reduced muzzle flash
- The best choice when shooting with a suppressor
- Sufficient speed and energy
Replenishment of the line of RWS rifle cartridges with the SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL bullet
Thanks to its modern design, SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL bullets from RWS are equally suitable for shots at short and long distances, and have a high stopping and lethal effect. The aerodynamic shape of the bullet starts with a nose, which helps to better overcome air resistance, and ends with a V-shaped tail, which further increases shooting accuracy and stability of the bullet's flight. The aerodynamic features of the RWS SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL bullet provide unusually long effective shot distances and high speed.
RWS presented its SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL line, replenished with new calibers, at IWA 2022
The SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL bullet is a fragmentation bullet with a two-element core based on the principle of a jacketed bullet. The front part of the core has a longitudinal cavity sealed with a plastic insert. When the bullet hits the target, the plastic rod explodes the body of the bullet, providing lightning-fast fragmentation. The front of the bullet thus breaks apart, providing tremendous killing power. The back of the bullet core is made of hardened lead alloy to ensure a clean exit hole with a blood trail.
Bullet RWS SPEED TIP PROFESSIONAL - advantages and characteristics
- High-speed ballistics
- Extreme stopping power
- High accuracy
RWS TARGET ELITE PLUS cartridge for sports shooters
For almost 10 years now, the RWS TARGET ELITE PLUS line of cartridges has been synonymous with match-grade precision cartridges comparable to the quality of hand-built cartridges. The high production standards of these cartridges translate into excellent ballistics and enviable accuracy at shooting distances of up to 1200 meters. This year, the line has been expanded with two new components for equipment in the .308 Win caliber.
From April this year, match cartridges from the RWS TARGET ELITE PLUS line will also be available in 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5×55 SE calibers
Advantages and characteristics of RWS TARGET ELITE PLUS cartridges
- Highest quality workmanship
- Confirmed accuracy of 16.9 to 25 mm from barrel test at 300 meters
- For long-range shots up to 1200 m
- Quality comparable to that of hand-made cartridges
- Specially designed match cases and selected match expansion bullets
- Consistent performance from batch to batch
- Optimized for long range shooting with high quality weapons
