✅ Service pistol MP - 471

Why is MP 471 a service?

Having thoroughly studied the law on weapons, I still could not understand why, when purchasing this pistol, the gun store would refuse to sell it to me under a civilian license.
And actually why is it called service weapon, because according to Article 4 of the law on weapons: Article 4. Service weapon

Service weapons include weapons intended for use by officials of government bodies and employees of legal entities who are permitted by the legislation of the Russian Federation to carry, store and use said weapons for the purposes of self-defense or to fulfill the duties assigned to them by federal law to protect the life and health of citizens, property, protection of nature and natural resources, valuable and dangerous goods, special correspondence. . Service weapons include domestically produced smooth-bore and rifled short-barreled weapons with a muzzle energy of no more than 300 J, as well as long-barreled smooth-bore weapons. Service weapons must exclude firing in bursts; rifled service weapons must differ from military hand-held small arms in the types and sizes of the cartridge, and from civilian ones in the formation of marks on the bullet and cartridge case. The capacity of the magazine (drum) of a service weapon must be no more than 10 rounds. Bullets of cartridges for smooth-bore and rifled short-barreled weapons cannot have cores made of hard materials. Cartridges for service weapons must comply with the requirements of state standards of the Russian Federation.

The MP 471 is not a firearm, but a traumatic one.

Actually 2 questions:

1. Based on what legislation is the MP 471 a service weapon? 2. On the basis of what regulatory act will I be refused to purchase it under a civil license?

1. If you carefully read the law, then the concept of “traumatic weapon” is absent in it. It is certified as a service firearm. 2. It is a firearm, because the energy characteristics of the ejected bullet exceed the “non-firing” threshold of 0.5 J/mm2.

Whether a weapon is recognized as a firearm or not occurs not on the basis of the law, but on the basis of forensic requirements for it and methods for determining the firearm’s firearms, on which the law itself is based.

I’m afraid to seem like a youth in asking this question, but the muzzle energy of the same Wasp was recently 120 J. And that of the MP 471 was 100 J.. We may be talking about different matters, but it’s better to clarify everything right away.

There is the muzzle energy of the projectile, and there is the muzzle SPECIFIC energy of the projectile. And this muzzle specific energy of the projectile depends on both the muzzle energy and the cross-sectional area of the projectile. Those. for the Wasp bullet (which weighs 11.3 g), the muzzle energy of 91 J will not exceed the specified threshold of specific muzzle energy; for the old Wasp bullet, which weighed 8.5 g (I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the decimal number), the muzzle energy is 120 j did not exceed the specified threshold. In the case of the MP-471, whose bullet has a mass of only 0.7 g, the fire threshold occurs when the muzzle energy is approximately 40 J (in fact, there is still no methodology for this bullet, so it is calculated by analogy with a bullet from a conventional weapons, i.e. they take it as a fact that a rubber bullet does not change its diameter upon contact with the target, but it does change, and if this change is taken into account, the fire threshold will not be exceeded if the bullet has a muzzle energy of 80 J (approximately) ). An indirect fact is the certification of 50 J cartridges (there will be 60 and 80, we are just gradually being milked). And the MP-471 has a muzzle energy of over 100 J. That’s why the MP-471 is a firearm.

Here are two identical pistols. One is official and the other is civilian. The only difference is the partition, which reduces the energy of the projectile. https://www.kspz.ru/production.phtml?cat=6

OSA is a barrelless traumatic weapon, and MP-471 is a short-barreled traumatic weapon.

mixmix A bit incorrect. We don’t have the concept of “traumatic” in our law. The Osa is a firearm without a barrel (there is actually a remark here - in fact, it is not a firearm, I have already said this many times, but this question is not for me, but for NIIPH and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which initially deceive the consumer), and the MP-471 is pure short-barreled smooth-bore firearm.

Just in case, I will once again give a method for determining the firepower of a weapon: https://www.eko-czao.narod.ru/ball/metod/001/2.htm

By the way, a question about 80 J cartridges (in the foreseeable future). How will they behave from a ballistic point of view in Makarych (at least in theory)? New bushings again?

MP service pistol - 471

Nothing. I use them, but in my opinion the shot from the 9RA50 J. is more powerful, at least the sound is definitely louder.

I only have a spring ring.

And if I install a bushing, will I need to install a spring from the PM? Will it be rechargeable with a PM spring?

Because the owner of MP-471 is also a co-owner of the private security company

Sincerely, Vladimir.

PS Is it legal to use 9PA cartridges on the MP-471?

I don’t know about the legality of 9RA, I loaded them once at the shooting range. I haven't met Chron here. A meternv with 4.5 pierces the chest of a veal carcass. In a birch trunk at 12.5-13 meters it makes dents with a depth of 3.5-4mm.. When I have time, I’ll shoot from the books and write it down. From what distance can the books be bombed?

Ok. I’ll do it when I have time.

Because the owner of MP-471 is also a co-owner of the private security company

Sincerely, Vladimir.

Well, it's not private. This is ts. a small violation of the law. The further you are from Moscow, the easier it is. In fact, the weight of gunpowder in the TK 9-RA and 10x23T cartridges is the same.

Well, it's not private. This is ts. a small violation of the law. The further you are from Moscow, the easier it is.

yeah nope. Our organs are loyal to constant wearing (even IZH-71). For which we thank them very much! I look at you with this matter more harshly.

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Yaro tested the T10 with a smooth barrel and our Russian-toothed one. He talked about almost the same energy, but the smooth one turned out better.

It’s difficult to say the diameter of the barrel, because... The MP-471 has a conical barrel

Isn't the 79th barrel tapered?

I measured 6.5mm at the muzzle, but the bar doesn’t go any deeper

I think its barrel is no more than 8-8.5mm.

No reason.

No problem ! What angles should I take the photo from?

No, I haven't fired yet. There is no time to go out and shoot.

The MP-471 has a conical narrowing from the chamber to the bore at a distance of 12-15mm from 9 to 6.5mm. Next is the trunk without narrowing. I apologize for the incorrect information given earlier.

Sorry

we'll fix it

And it’s better to bomb A4 stacked ones from a distance of 1 m. That is, stand over the stack and fire 3 shots. The results will be the most objective.

IMHO, take more sheets, 800-1000 pieces. Otherwise you'll blow everything away

10 * 22T TK In the photo

In the door from the jeep, I think I mentioned above. Distance 7 m., cartridges 10 * 22 T TechCrime.

MP-471 - service traumatic pistol

The Bars weapons store offers security companies the supply of MP-471 service traumatic pistols for 10x23T caliber. For more than a year now, the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant has not produced traumatic service pistols MP-471 due to the lack of a Certificate of Conformity for mass production. Nevertheless, security companies need service traumatic weapons and the most preferable option is the MP-471 (MP-471). A feature of the circulation of this type of weapon is the small amount of fire during operation and the complete preservation of the performance characteristics of all MP-471 service pistols, regardless of the year of their manufacture. Thanks to this, the Bars weapons store accepts MP-471 pistols for consignment sale from organizations that, for some reason, need to reduce/bring their arsenal of service weapons in line with the regulations.

The sale of service weapons and ammunition for service weapons is carried out through the wholesale department of Bars. Contact phone +7 (812) 346-00-19.

Main technical characteristics of the MP-471 service traumatic pistol: overall dimensions 162 x 31 x 127 mm, weight 0.63 kg, magazine capacity 8 rounds, caliber 10x23T, effective range of use up to 15 m

MP-471 (MP-471) is a service traumatic pistol based on the legendary Soviet Makarov pistol (PM). High degree of unification of mechanisms and parts with the combat prototype. Unconditional reliability of the design. Proven technological production processes. Tens of millions of Makarov pistols were produced by the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant as combat, service, traumatic, pneumatic and signal weapons, and mass-dimensional models. The frame, bolt and trigger mechanism of the MP-471 are made of special steel alloys used in the production of both combat and service traumatic weapons. The pistol kit includes two magazines for 8 rounds of 10x23T caliber. Cartridges for traumatic service weapons of 10x23T caliber have a striking element in the form of a rubber bullet with a diameter of 10.2 mm and a weight of 0.7 g. The initial speed and energy of the 10x23T cartridge are designed for use at a distance of up to 15 meters. The MP-471 service traumatic pistol is included in the Russian cadastre and, unlike service traumatic weapons of other calibers, is registered and registered with the Russian Guard without any restrictions.

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Service injuries

On various thematic forums, the question is constantly raised about why more powerful service weapons are not available for purchase. The reason lies in the high level of potential danger. The only case when the law defines the use of weapons against a person is to ensure self-defense, and the measures taken must strictly fall within the framework of the law. Some standards have been established for traumatic pistols and revolvers.

Muzzle energy limitation. The gun will be certified as OOOP if the energy does not exceed 91 J.
Magazine capacity limitation. It should not hold more than 10 rounds.
Weapons whose design allows firing in automatic mode are not allowed for certification.

The requirements for service weapons have a slightly different framework, but they are also formulated and regulated by law. In general, any weapon that is used by officials serving in government agencies can be called a service weapon. They are required by law to carry weapons to ensure self-defense and the protection of citizens. This also includes employees who are regulatory authorities for the protection of natural resources, as well as those accompanying valuable cargo.

In a particular case, by service weapon we mean a smooth-bore or short-barreled firearm with a rifled barrel.

This includes trauma with increased energy. The law allows a muzzle energy value of up to 300 J. The ban on firing in bursts and on the number of cartridges in a clip exceeding 10 units is still relevant.

Service weapons differ from military weapons in the type of cartridges used, as well as the markings on the bullet. More powerful cartridges are used than for traumatic guns, but the use of iron cores is not allowed.

Purpose of the pistol

MP-471 is a service pistol. Can be used for self-defense, protection of life and property of protected citizens. Does not belong to the type of civilian weapon. Not used in state law enforcement agencies. Not for sale to individuals.

Intended for use by representatives of security companies. Sold to legal entities with a license to use traumatic weapons that shoot rubber bullets. MP-471 meets the requirements established by law.

Legal standards for traumatic weapons:

muzzle energy - about 91 J;
magazine for a maximum of 10 rounds;
lack of automatic firing mode.

MP-471 meets all the criteria for the traumatic type. The pistol is a firearm of limited destruction, but shoots exclusively rubber bullets.

General information

The MP-471 pistol is certified as a service weapon. Its serial production is carried out at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant. The developers took the famous Makarov pistol as a basis, so the MP-471 and PM are similar in appearance and design. The cartridges used for pistol shooting have a rubber bullet made in the form of a sphere. Its diameter is 10.2 mm.

Here it is necessary to make one very important digression. The fact is that as the diameter increases, the effectiveness of the shot should theoretically decrease. The force of air resistance increases, which grows exponentially at high speeds. But the decisive fact is that when hitting a living target, such a bullet has a higher stopping effect. In addition, the possibility of penetrating injury is sharply reduced.

The mass of the rubber ball is 0.7 g. Taking into account the increased power of this model, the manufacturer has determined the maximum distance for effective shooting. It was 15 meters. Note that this is three times more than the performance of a conventional traumatic pistol. 10x23T cartridges for this model are produced by Tekhkrim CJSC

Most often, MP-471 is used in security companies. The question of introducing this traumatic weapon into law enforcement agencies has been raised more than once, but at the moment there is no positive solution, although many use it as a service weapon. The model in Russia received all the necessary certificates, including a certificate for compliance with the forensic requirements of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.

Advantages and disadvantages

Advantages of MP-471:

used for self-defense, protection of life and property;
sold to organizations (with a special license);
shoots rubber bullets with high stopping power (but low penetrating power);
accurately hits the target from 15 meters;
resembles a combat "Makarov" (one look can scare an attacker).

Disadvantages of MP-471:

relatively high cost (about $300);
will not be able to pass through several layers of clothing;
if hit in the temple or eye at close range, it can be fatal.

Pistol design

The model is still in demand and popular in certain circles. The reason for this is its many positive qualities. The first thing that users note is the simplicity of the device and handling. Despite the fact that citizens who are accustomed to carrying weapons serve in government agencies, it is important for each owner to have a simple, but at the same time, reliable device. The practice of leading gunsmiths has shown that the most reliable in design are those models that are made according to a trivial design.

The MP-471 pistol has established itself as a compact and lightweight option, characterized by reliability. It can fire in one of two modes. Pre-cocking the hammer gives the spring the necessary energy. Subsequent shots can be fired in self-cocking mode. Automation works due to the acquired recoil energy of the shutter. There is enough energy not only to deform the spring, but also to extract the cartridge case with its subsequent ejection, as well as to send the cartridge into the chamber from the magazine.

Assembly and disassembly

How to disassemble MP-471:

remove the magazine;
remove the safety lock;
pull the bolt back and make sure that there is no projectile in the chamber;
remove the bolt from the frame (by pulling the trigger guard and moving the bolt back);
remove the spring from the steel guide;
the barrel will remain attached to the frame and pistol grip.

Important! The MP-471 pistol is assembled in the reverse order of disassembly. It is not recommended to disassemble the injury down to the last detail. During disassembly, only one bolt needs to be removed to clean and lubricate the barrel.

Specifications

Performance characteristics (TTX) are an important list of technical indicators established by the manufacturer. It includes several points that are written down in an official document - the device passport. Based on this data, the pistol receives certification. The absence of performance characteristics declared by the plant leads to the inevitability of an examination in any attempt to legalize weapons.

The caliber of a pistol refers to the diameter of its barrel. Often the dimensions of the cartridge indicated when marking it are called caliber. Thus, 10x23T cartridges are suitable for the MP-471 pistol. The symbol “T” means that a rubber ball is used as a bullet, as with any traumatic weapon. From the designation it can be seen that the diameter of the barrel is 10 mm, although the actual diameter of the rubber ball is 10.2 mm.
The dimensions of the pistol will definitely interest the future owner. Each user evaluates weapons using his own special method. Some people use the assertion that the heavier the barrel, the more arguments it instills in the opponent. Others seek to hide their weapons. By the way, the rules for carrying weapons specifically require that you not show them off to others. Most experts express the opinion that the pistol should be placed in a holster, and, if necessary, should be quickly removed from it. The length of the MP-471 model is 16.2 cm. The height of the pistol is 12.7 cm. At the same time, there are no protruding parts on the body, except for the sighting device. This fact must be emphasized, since it is the protruding parts that prevent the pistol from being quickly removed from the holster. The width of the model is 3cm.
In terms of weight, the pistol falls into the category of medium barrels. It cannot be compared, for example, with Stechkin, but it is also impossible to call it easy. The weight of the barrel without ammunition is 630 g. For such dimensions, this is the most optimal weight. Due to inertia, the weapon is stable when fired.
The magazine capacity may disappoint ardent fans of weapons, but 8 rounds fits well with legal requirements. The manufacturer does not intend to increase this parameter, since all models of the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant have received certificates of conformity.

The energy characteristics of a pistol indicate how powerful the shot fired will be. The muzzle energy exceeds 100 J, but is within the permissible values for a service weapon. With this energy, the bullet reaches a speed of 500 m/s. The manufacturer claims that it is possible to conduct targeted shooting at a distance of 15 meters.

Is it possible to buy

The MP-471 pistol, like many other service weapons, is available for free sale. It is impossible to talk about the possibility of purchasing all models, since some of them require special permission. But the holder of a license for civilian weapons cannot buy the model in question. The fact is that the licensing department issues permission to purchase service weapons and a license to store them according to a separate algorithm. Many citizens ask questions after receiving a refusal from a gun store. Let us remind you that to purchase MP-471 you need a special license.

You can also buy the MP-471 traumatic pistol through the services of the online store. The store's tools are quite simple. First you need to select the desired option from the catalog, which presents a selection of available models. If the buyer prefers to compare several models, then he can add the selected items to the cart. Having made a decision, you can order a weapon.

The ordering algorithm requires the provision of a license. It will be required in scanned form or asked to be presented upon receipt of the goods. In any case, this should not bother the buyer. On the contrary, the requirement to comply with all legal standards for processing a transaction indicates the high legal status of the store. The price for the model in question varies within 20 thousand rubles, which places the barrel in the middle price category.